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Post Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:11 pm

Pigs Berthing

Greets,

Can someone explain the concept of "Pigs Berthing", what it is, how you "get in", how you "get out", etc? It seems to be yet another mechanism used to degrade people in the S.O....

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Post Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:55 pm

I remember that we had it. But I don't remember everything.

Basically it was supposed to be this:

Really messy people were labeled pigs. They had to demonstrate that they could keep berthing spaces clean before they could get this removed and rejoin regular berthing.

What it was:

Guys dorms a lot of time ended up being a fricking mess, because we weren't allowed to have sex, we didn't pay much attention to making sure our berthings were good looking so that we could get sex. So we got our dorm labeled "pig's berthing."

Much more stringent inspections, ethics conditions, etc.
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Post Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:11 pm

There is a policy called "Berthing Chits". How it works is that your berthing is supposed to be inspected for cleanliness every so often.
If it flunks, the first time you get a 1st berthing chit. This chit goes to your ethics file and you get a warning.
If it flunks again, you get a second berthing chit which goes to your file. I don't remember what happens for this one, but it is something like you get assigned a condition and have to pay a fine.
Then if it flunks again, you get a 3rd berthing chit where you get assigned to pigs berthing. This means you have to sleep in a dingy room and it varies wherever you are.
One time, a couple of my friends had to sleep in an old building which was under construction. They slept on mattresses on the floor and they freaked out in the middle of the night because there were bats in there.
When I was young, we had our berthings inspected every day. And something so little as one piece of trash in the trash can or one speck on the carpet could earn you a berthing chit.
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Post Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:21 pm

Jenna wrote:When I was young, we had our berthings inspected every day. And something so little as one piece of trash in the trash can or one speck on the carpet could earn you a berthing chit.


Wait.....what?

I've been through military training and it wasn't that bloody bad. Granted, this was air force, so a bit more leniant, but still that's just stupid. In fact we used to make fun of the one Sargent who cared about details like that....to his face.
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Post Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:24 pm

Jenna wrote:There is a policy called "Berthing Chits". How it works is that your berthing is supposed to be inspected for cleanliness every so often.
If it flunks, the first time you get a 1st berthing chit. This chit goes to your ethics file and you get a warning.
If it flunks again, you get a second berthing chit which goes to your file. I don't remember what happens for this one, but it is something like you get assigned a condition and have to pay a fine.
Then if it flunks again, you get a 3rd berthing chit where you get assigned to pigs berthing. This means you have to sleep in a dingy room and it varies wherever you are.
One time, a couple of my friends had to sleep in an old building which was under construction. They slept on mattresses on the floor and they freaked out in the middle of the night because there were bats in there.
When I was young, we had our berthings inspected every day. And something so little as one piece of trash in the trash can or one speck on the carpet could earn you a berthing chit.



Interesting.....and the people doing the inspections are HCOfags? Do they drink the "blue meanie" kool-aid before they do the inspections? Or do they harbor long standing ill-will towards all non-HCO SOfags?

It really sounds like the SO is a group of "initiation through abuse"....where they weed out the weak, and reward the ruthless....kind of like how the Gestapo used to be...which is weird, considering they are "the only hope for mankind".
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Post Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:47 pm

At PAC, at least through the mid to late ninties if your berthing was messy or if you were having trouble on post an unflattering picture would be taken of you then posted on a public message board stating that you were a member of the "Nothing To Do With Me Club".

I considered it a sorta modern day pillory. I'm glad they didn't actually have the "upstats" throw rotten fruit at the "downstats" but it came close.
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Post Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:11 pm

everfree wrote:At PAC, at least through the mid to late ninties if your berthing was messy or if you were having trouble on post an unflattering picture would be taken of you then posted on a public message board stating that you were a member of the "Nothing To Do With Me Club".

I considered it a sorta modern day pillory. I'm glad they didn't actually have the "upstats" throw rotten fruit at the "downstats" but it came close.


When I left, this was only starting I think .... Im glad it didn't start in early 90s. I woulda been smeared lmao
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Post Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:57 pm

Yeah, that happened when I was at the Int Cadet org, or the Int Ranch.
Later on in the Sea Org, at FLO in particular, they would take pictures of your berthing and post it on the Staff Notice Board for everyone to see.
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I was in the room right next to the elevators on the 2nd floor of PAC. I wasn't in the SO, I was class V staff there on training, and was later "volunteered" to work with the audits task force.

There were 13 of us in two small rooms in there, and it was never very clean or organized. There was a big blue paint stain in the middle of the floor.

We never had anyone give us much of a hard time though, at least not that I remember. People in the room would get on someone who was being messy, but no one from outside bugged us.

Later on that room was reno'd and I got shifted up to the 7th floor, just in time for the '94 earthquake (yay...)
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Post Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:00 pm

When my husband and I first got married there were no rooms available. We spent a week living in a storage room half filled with storage with no windows. We slept on a mattress on the floor. When we did get a room, it had a shared bathroom with three other rooms, no working light, no shower curtain. The window in our room had a broken pane and it was never fixed. So regular berthing was pigs berthing, pigs berthing was much worse.
Also, for a while at the HGB anyone who was in lower conditions was ordered to eat their meal in the emergency stairwell. When it was discovered they could get in trouble for fire safety violations, they moved it to the trash room. I remember eating in the trashroom, I can still smell it.
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Post Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:45 pm

Speaking of smells.

Back on the ship, i'll never forget how shocked i was at the dormitory berthing. I had to go and get someone out of bed. It was bulk head to bulk head with beds,barely enough room in between to walk. Stale body odour hit me as i walked in.It was very basic, i can't remember how many beds to one dorm,at a rough estimate i'd say at least a dozen,possibly more.

Sure made me realise how lucky i was to have a cabin that i shared with one other girl. We even had our own sink.Luxury compared to the majority of the crew.

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Post Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:21 pm

We also had no berthing for a while in OTL. We were literally sleeping in the offices... :)

I was sleeping under the desk I was working on during the day.

The worst berthing place I ever had in the Sea Org was a room under construction in the "prestigious" Hotel Corona in Copenhagen - boy, that Sea Org hotel looked like a shelter for the homeless.
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Post Mon May 12, 2008 12:45 am

Pigs Berthing

Well, let's no forget the other circumstances pig's berthing has been dished out for. Circa 2007 at FSO an entire department was assigned to pigs berthing for at least a week simply on account of failure to live up to assigned quotas, nothing whatever to do with how we kept up our bedrooms.

I was able to "escape" this but only by virtue of having to work 2-3 hours later than anyone else, thus missing the police-musters set up to round up would-be sneak-offs.

I could never agree with the pigs berthing concept in the first place, and this adventure above was one of a series of events that actually lead to my realization that enough is enough and I got out.

More later...
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Pigs berthing

Hi Leerymo - you've made my day! You were there and remember the '94 earthquake. I'd responded to some introductions and mentioned it but no one seemed to believe there was a 'quake then except Grundy. I had a car there in the parking lot and we used it to warm up the freezing kids and let them make cellphone calls to tell family/friends that they were OK. I think we were on the 7th floor too - had recently been moved from a much better room on a lower floor (about a dozen or so of us) and I was seriously pissed about that.
Anyhow, living in the lap of WOG luxury now, I can laugh about it and hope that all that crew is doing well wherever they are.
The BS drills to do that damn christmas display were seriously FU'd to my taste. Hated it. Also, I think I got the world's worst haircut from one of the ITO outer org chicks around that time. Luckily, hair grows.
Did we actually get under the tables at the HGB for the aftershocks, or is that my imagination? Whatever, it broke the monotony of trying to write O/W's. That was serious dev-T in my book.
We did live in a rather piglike fashion - but, in truth, we had some good times too.
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Post Sun Apr 11, 2010 1:13 pm

Hotel Corona

Thalkirst wrote:The worst berthing place I ever had in the Sea Org was a room under construction in the "prestigious" Hotel Corona in Copenhagen - boy, that Sea Org hotel looked like a shelter for the homeless.


I'm creating a map of Sea Org buildings in Copenhagen with information about the use and purpose of them. The adress of the Hotel Corona (near Nyhavn) is not mentioned anywhere that I know. Please add information about the Hotel Corona here or send it to xenu@hush.ai
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Post Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:07 am

Yes I remember the "pigs berthing" label and the "Nothing to do with Me Club". I never had either assigned to me, most of us girls were pretty uptight about the cleanliness of our berthing and we were all in HCO so we had to "set the example".

After I got married we didn't get a berthing for over 6 months. When we did, it was 1/2 a room with a piece of drywall thrown up dividing the one window in half and down the middle of the room. The second berthing we got was actually hella awesome, with a loft bed that gave us more space and an actual deadbolt on the door.

We NEVER had access to a bathroom other than that shared by the rest of the floor. When I was on the 2nd floor of Main Bldg we went up to the 6th floor to access the one bathroom there, and same when in 2D berthing. So did everyone else in Main Bldg. And no one was assigned to clean it, either, so it was truly horrible. I wanted to tackle it sometimes but with no help and no cleaning supplies it was kinda impossible.

Broken windows, broken doors, exposed subflooring, this was all totally normal. After a while you don't see it anymore.
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Post Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:12 pm

Wow, I had forgotten all about the "nothing to do with me club"

That and pigs berthing were just another way to scare people into behaving. The irony of "pigs berthing" is all of the berthing was awful. So many code violations, from too many people living in a room to rooms illegally being divided into additional rooms. My first room when I got married was a storage closet with no windows and it was half full of storage. We slept on a mattress on the floor. After that we got a room at the anthony building that had missing window panes. The shared bathroom had no shower curtain and no light as well as unpredictable hot water. Nothing like a cold shower in the dark to cheer you up!
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Post Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:35 am

Wow, that brings back memories!

I recall one time we had one or two more girls than we had beds... and then the Berthing I/C dumped another girl's stuff in the middle of our floor and informed us she was moving in... it was awesome.

And the smell... I never really noticed it after the first few weeks but now whenever I walk into an institutional-type building or even a commercial one that is just right. It's some combination of linoleum floors, old carpet and cleaning products in stale air that just makes me have flashbacks.

Does anyone remember when they did the briefing about the renos with a slideshow of perfect, hotel-type berthings that had matching blue and gold SO symbol blankets on the beds?
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