Ex Scientology Kids

[Alexander]

As the title says, my grandmother got into Scientology when my mother was in her late teenage. My mother was my grandmothers favorite child, she introduced her to Scientology. Where they both stayed untill they would die.

My story is of such nature that I cannot really say something bad about Scientology other than that they "forced" my mother and grandmother not to go to the hospital, not by words or force merely their system of ignoring and so on.

My grandmother was on this lecture for like 10-20 hours where she had to go to the restrooms, but she was to afraid of leaving the room since not a single person left the lecture during this time, so shes starting to get really sick when she really needs to urinate. And boom after this she starts to feel bad in the stomach and so on, refused to see a doctor. Eventually when it was to late she was diagnosed with Cancer, I bet you can tell where. Now they both believed that CoS would cure them miracuously, no mather what kind of disease they would counter.
(I think the lecture was on that big fucking boat...)

So my grandmother died in a matter of months. Leaving no inheritance since she obviously gave all her money to the church, she was not rich but my grandfather was and when they separated she got the house and everything, so she was stacked according to the CoS, wich they totaly exploited.

My mother got infected by HIV, even after my grandmother died she didnt believe in hospitals and ignored her disease. It wasnt untill she got really sick that she got forced by familymembers to see the doctor. Her diagnose gave her like 3 months or less. She died from excessive blood cluts (wich is supposedly wery common in AIDS deaths)

At this point I was 7-8 years old, lost both my parents and my grandmother, my family who didnt really like none of my parents. Didnt really care about me when I was adopted other than on some of my birthdays or christmaseve.
But I asume that is a part of some peoples life, and you have to accept the fact that there is other people having more problem ex. people who got traumas caused directly by the CoS wich I have not..

My first years in the daycare was in a scientology kind, ive heard that its not a big thing about it despite when someone gets hurt you should leave him alone and be quiet. Wich I didnt like, I rather wanted my best friend close to me when im hurt. Eventually when I was like 5 I wanted to stay at a "normal" daycare wich my mother allowed me to do, iam very happy that I was a thinker of my own at that age...

I would really like to hear others opinion about the daycare of scientology, if there is some kind of hidden agenda. Beacuse I do actually picture myself as the scientologys when they approach criticsism. Their "I do not know how to behave" Maybe its not a scientology symptom but im just curious.

Best regards /Alexander.

[Tru2form]

What an amazing story, Alexander, and welcome to our boards!

First of all, let me say that I am very, very sorry for your loss.

I'm sorry to hear that your family was negatively effected by Scientology's suspicion of medicine. It's sad and also interesting to note that although Scientologists say that Scn doesn't cure disease, and their PR agents say that sick Scientologists are encouraged to seek treatment, Hubbard's general attitude of disgust with the medical profession has prompted many to shun treatment.

I remember Scientology daycare! Though I was only there for a very short while.

Honestly, if I remember correctly, my mom pulled me out of that daycare because it was disgusting. The floors were filthy, there were cats everywhere (I'm allergic), pee on the floor was not cleaned up for hours. I don't blame Scientology for that, but rather the individual person who ran that place, and my mom pulled me out as soon as she saw that it was like that. Not that she ever discussed with my why she didn't take me back there, but I can only assume that was why.

Again, I never experienced physical abuse in Scientology in terms of beatings. My parents never struck me, and neither did anyone at my daycare.

But I do remember that Scn daycare is different from other daycares. Scientology school is like that, too:

If someone hurts themselves, everyone must immediately shush up, and go completely silent. It's the same as the silent birth thing. You don't want to give that person an "engram" (a sort of implanted negative experience), because ElRon says that when you're experiencing pain, anything that is said around you can cause an engram.

So it was always wierd to me, even at that young age (and later in Scientology school) that as soon as you heard someone yell, or start crying, everyone would go completely silent. I mean, especially during sports time - you'd get 100 people in the gym, and someone falls down, and the whole room goes dead quiet.

Then the person would do a "contact assist" (also called a touch-back). All Scientology kids know this one. Apparently, the way to get rid of pain is to
re-enact the injury. So you'd like, bang your elbow or something, and then the entire room would go totally silent, and you'd lightly re-bang your elbow (not so hard that it's painful) over and over until the pain went away.

I have NEVER had pain miraculously go away from one of these assists. I would just say "okay, it's gone". And then everyone would go back to doing what they were doing. But the pain never went away from the actual assist, it just... went away because it had been 5 minutes or whatever.
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[Alexander]

Thanks you for the welcome, is it just me or is the board pretty slow right now? I had to click the registration button like 100 times to get something to happen, and same for submitting.. Even watching a topic takes like 4 minutes to load.

Actually wouldnt it be better when someone is hurt to be surrounded by his friends in a early age, just like young childs/babies feels alot more secure when sleeping if there is people talking in the kitchen and so on. Maybe that is an way of creating a human wich do not have emotions like others?

Since youve got into normal and Scientoly daycare, what did you find differ other than the shushing? From what ive noticed nothing (I was at an early age in the scientology daycare) but other than that the kids was somewhat crueler in statedaycare than in scidaycare. I didnt notice anything. But when I was a child I think that I was in a
children's summer camp, im not sure that it was a scientology but the ones in charge was actually my mothers recruitments, and they still are. Anyway there the kids were somewhat older and REALLY cruel, they didnt do anything to me but I somewhat noticed a somewhat hate amongs them.

I feel very sorry about that family, since my mother recruited the whole family: father, mother and 2 childs. Of the older was my best friend, for like 3 years ago she actually got a hold of my number and rang me, asking me if I had any thought of Scientology when I replied that I have my own idea about it, thats all I said and she understood that I didnt like it. She then said well we can be friends despite different belives, yeah right I though but I didnt say it. We decided that we should meet that following christmas when she came to my homecity. She promised to give me a call when she got there, as I asumed she wouldnt call, she didnt either. But I was thinking if I got a hold of her would the church actually allow her to meet me?

That "contact assist" is commonly known about "normal" people but more like a joke though.

[RLSteve]

I don't understand. Why is it that some Scientologists won't seek medical help?

As far as I know, I thought Hubbard was only against psychiatric medication. I also know in general, Scientologists don't like to take aspirin.

But I knew a lady who worked at the Seattle Org who died of cancer. She didn't seek any kind of medical treatment for her condition. I don't even think she was that high up the Bridge. The ED at the Seattle Org told me that they had even advised her to get medical help, but she had refused, thinking she could handle it naturally. It was sad... she left behind a husband and a four year-old daughter.

You know, I've heard stories of people diagnosed with cancer who've prayed a lot, meditated a lot, etc. and their cancer went away, and they ended up not having to get any treatment for it. But interestingly, you never hear any stories of Scientologists who've cured their cancer with auditing.

[Grundy]

Actually, there is a scientology reference that says if one is ill, he/she is supposed to go to a doctor and then recieve auditing only after. The only thing that is considered bad about doctors is invasive procedures and exploratory surguries that don't have a proven track record

A lot ignore this. It's a big agreement that medicine is bad. I don't know why.

I was a member of a committe of evidence. The person being given Scientology justice was getting it because she was a nutritionist who dvised another Scientology to NOT get medical treatment for her breast cancer and to only use nutrition. The other Scientologist died.

She was found guilty. I don't remember what the findings were beyond that.

[Holden Caulfield]

There are literally thousands of cases of Scientologists dying of serious illnesses. Cancer being the most common.

I have such a case in my family. My parents divorced when I was too young to remember and my mother met another man on staff. He became my step father.
It turned out he had cancer, and had had it for a long time. He was terrifyed of the medical industry and indeed a True Believer in Scientology.

In Clearwater, there was a Scientology doctor that set him up on a vitamin program(!) that was supposed to cure him. I don't know if there was any logical reasoning behind that whatsoever. Besides, he was OTIII and by that point one is supposed to be free of the Reactive Mind, right? But no, he still hated doctors and was scared to death of hospitals.

Of course, the vitamin treatment didn't work and he ended up on Chemotherapy. He was not allowed on Service at Flag and when the severeness of his illness became physically apparent, he was not allowed on Base.
He hung in for a long time but eventually he died after a lot suffering and pain, leaving my mother in huge debt.

His family (mother and father) always felt it was Scientology that had killed him. My mother always insisted that was false and distanced herself from the rest of his family, meaning I lost contact with my step-siblings that I grew up with.
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[ATAkid]

If a serious injury occurred you were treated, then would come back for a contact assist. I remember when a boy broke his arm at West Covina, he had to come back 2 weeks later and do a contact assist. I remember this distinctly b/c I was coming out of the bathroom next to the wall while he was doing it and was told to shush.