Just exactly how bad was Uwe Stuckenbrock's situation?

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Post Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:06 pm

Just exactly how bad was Uwe Stuckenbrock's situation?

I just spoke to my aunt who just talked with a woman who took care of Uwe Stuckenbrock in the Sea Org for two years.

So, apparently, Uwe got so sick that he had to have two people with him at all times, even when he was sleeping.

Eventually, he had to go to a nursing home. The woman taking care of him looked for a long time until she found the right nursing home (one where they wouldn't give him psych drugs). After she found the right nursing home, Uwe was put there, and he died about a year later.

I don't know... it sounds to me like Uwe was taken care of, despite being in the RPF.

This woman was not responding to any kind of bad PR. My aunt was simply asking her what it was like to take care of an MS patient.

There is one discrepancy I want to point out. There is an ex-Sea Org member who lives at my house who has MS. The Sea Org actually had her leave because she had MS. They didn't even give her a free loader bill.

So, why would they have this woman leave and yet keep Uwe Stuckenbrock (whose MS was way more serious) in the Sea Org?
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Post Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:16 pm

Uwe knew too much. Had to keep him so he didn't ever talk.
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Post Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:40 pm

There used to be a policy that those that were let go because of medical reasons were not given a freeloader bill.

However, someone cancelled that because it "wasn't source."

Of course, they are supposed to take care of ill sea org members.

In order to be have a permenant fitness certificate, you are supposed to receive and pass three fitness boards.

The first one is when one first joins.

Having received a permenant fitness board, one couldn't be let go for medical reasons.

The only way to get a permanent FB cancelled is to request to leave and leave according to the routing form.

I happen to know this, because I had a permenant FB at one point.
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Post Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:28 am

I was on the RPF with Uwe and while it is utterly dispicable to me that he was in the RPF. He was never not taken care of that I saw though. He always had someone with him and anything in relation to his care was considered priority in the RPF (I was the RPF MAA and the Chief Co-audit Sup at different times).

Why he had to be "taken care of in the RPF" is beyond me. He should have just been offloaded and taken care of outside the RPF.

But as someone else mentioned he knew too much, he had been married to someone posted in David Miscavige's office as well (although forced to divorce like so many others :roll: ).

I hadn't read that he passed away. I'm not terribly surprised, but sad nonetheless.
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Post Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:56 am

Why did they send him to a nursing home instead of back to his family in Germany?

That's what I'd like to know.
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Post Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:35 am

Hi my name is Markus Stuckenbrock

here is what I know about Uwes Situation in the RPF.
-he blew the Sea Org in 1997 after his wife Laurisse left him because of his MS.
-Laurisse told him not to be so stupid and leave Scientology - then he came back in the hope that she will not leave him. A few weeks later he got the divorce letter - never able to speak to her again.
-he was asingned to the RPF but did not agree with it!(1997)
-we were informed about his MS in 2002 at least 5 years to late!!
-my mother tried everything to help Uwe 2002-2003 with the newest medicine from Germany - but all was blocked from LA.
-they lied to us that they were trying all possible treatments and that he just started a new one and that he will soon show some improvement.The new one was for example just another alternative water treatment with absolutely no effect on his aggressive kind of MS.
-we allways had to call him to find out how he was doing. Uwe promised to visit us in 1996. Because he wanted to see his three nices. I have two girls and my sister one. Then he promised to come for sure in May 1997 - he did'nt come and he told us that he can't go because the Sea Org fears that he could blow. We even offered him to pay the flight - but he never came back to his home in Germany.......
-when he was getting worse it was even harder to reach him. Sometimes I called three times before he (was allowed?) called (to call) back.
-my father always told me that Uwe is working on secret material and that this is the reason for this "bad communication".
-I first recognized that Uwes health is really worse was just after my mother died. She had cancer and it was clear that she will not survive the next two days. So I called to LA and asked if Uwe please could call back in order to speak to her a last time. But Uwe did not call back. I called there about ten times untill I was in such a rage that I sreamed on them on the phone that our mother is dying and they just give me their bla bla etc. then Uwe called back just a few minutes after our mum passed away. And this was the very first moment I recognized how bad he was doing. He hardly could control his words.
-after this I tried one more year to get information by calling in LA. I only got "good food, nice weather" statements about my brothers situation. And they always promised to keep us informed. But we only got information when we called there.
-I felt so helpless and this made me so angry that I decided to give the responsibility to my father Dieter Stuckenbrock- he was and is still active in Stuttgart Org and so is his third wife Katrin Stuckenbrock. Her mum was in the Sea Org in the US at that time and I thought that maybe this connections will help to get good information and some help to Uwe.
-guess what - my father did not know anything about the severe situation of his son Uwe. But he promised me to look after him and keep me informed.
-he called me once and gave me another "good food, nice weather" information and promised me that the guy who cares for Uwe will keep us informed at least every two weeks. But we never got any information.
- last year my father told me that he visited Uwe in LA it was again the typical all is fine information but in my fathers eyes I could see that Uwe must have been in a really bad condition.
- after my dad called me on October 8. in order to tell me that Uwe has died I was looking for some information about his funeral in LA. And what I found was the letter of the RPF Insider. Before I thought Uwe was a high ranking Sea Org member in good standing - but what I found out by contacting people via internet who lived and suffered with him in the RPF was a total different reality. I was so stupid all those years!
- I started my help thread on ESMB and since then my father visited me four times in order to handle me. I have never seen him so long and so often all of my life. But he only comes to handle me and this is the sadest part of this story. He is not able to see that Scientology has killed his son Uwe and is not able to see that his last son of his first wife needs his love. Much more important to him is still this heartless Church full of Zombies!
-the person who was not informing us was a guy called Allan Poval. As fas as I know he was the person who "cared" for my brother. Well I have to ask: What was his qualification for doing this? And in my opinion he did not do it well. You can tell this to your aunt. They seem to care but they don't have a clue what it means to care. In my opinion it is dilettantism in pure form. I found about 50 other stories in the net to proof this!
-Uwes wife Laurisse is now DM's secretary and I even found one source in the net where somebody said that Shelly M. was very concerned and angry about the relationship between her husband and Laurisse Stuckenbrock. And as you know she also disappeared.
-my greatest fear is that one of my three stephbrothers will come in a similar situation as Uwe and if this would happen and by then I would have not publicatet about Scientology what I know now - then I'm sure that would make me crazy.

This story is so weard I still can't believe it!

We have to change something right now!

Love

Markus
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Post Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:47 am

P.S.

-we were told that Uwe is not longer abel to make a journey with a plane in 2005
-my father asked me what he can do that I stop to investigate this matter:
I told him he can organize all the medical files of Uwe so that I can exactly find out which treatment he was getting in which period of time and what kind of qualified personal was involved.
-This was 9 weeks ago and I still have'nt seen one piece of paper. If they have nothing to hide so why are they not able to send this files.

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Post Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:06 pm

I happen to know a thing or two about medical care while on the RPF. First of all, if you are in really bad shape on the RPF whether it be MS or molten metal burning a hole in your foot or a table saw accident or you got a pipe stuck in your eye (all those things actually happened to people while I was on the RPF), Every effort is made to get you to recover fully and quickly. There is a certain comradery within the RPF that is partially manufactured and partially human nature, so the people that are assigned to help you actually really do care and really will make every effort speed your recovery.

The sad thing is that you don't see a doctor for routine checkups but if you get hurt or come down with something bad, a lot of effort will be made to get you to recover. Another sad thing is that... well, you are still on the RPF, you may be incapacitated but you still have to abide by the schedule and the regulations. So there is no passing the time by reading a book, watching TV, listening to the radio or even playing solitaire. The environment is not comfortable or nurturing but the people can and often will be very helpful.
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Post Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:44 pm

Thank you Frank for this information about the RPF

Frank Herbert wrote:"I happen to know a thing or two about medical care while on the RPF. First of all, if you are in really bad shape on the RPF whether it be MS or molten metal burning a hole in your foot or a table saw accident or you got a pipe stuck in your eye (all those things actually happened to people while I was on the RPF), Every effort is made to get you to recover fully and quickly. There is a certain comradery within the RPF that is partially manufactured and partially human nature, so the people that are assigned to help you actually really do care and really will make every effort speed your recovery.

The sad thing is that you don't see a doctor for routine checkups but if you get hurt or come down with something bad, a lot of effort will be made to get you to recover. Another sad thing is that... well, you are still on the RPF, you may be incapacitated but you still have to abide by the schedule and the regulations. So there is no passing the time by reading a book, watching TV, listening to the radio or even playing solitaire. The environment is not comfortable or nurturing but the people can and often will be very helpful.
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The power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it.

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You must know I'm a medical orderly and I'm working with handicapped people for about 20 years now. There are many things even a good guy can't know when he tries to help someone with a severe illness as Uwes MS. For example the proper care of the skin is very important in order to avoid pressure ulcers etc. And above all the blue building was definitely not the appropiate place to live for Uwe! A very very long time not even in a separated room but in mass quarters together with about 50 men. This is what I call arrogant amateurism in pure form. Caused by a man who implanted to his followers that Scientology can handle everything. There is absolutely no heart and love in this church and even common sense was missing completely among the members who observed or were aware of Uwes situation. For me this is just insane!!

Much love

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Post Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:43 am

I can't refute anything you just posted, I only wanted to lend some perspective on the nature of the people who were caring for Uwe. Its not right, but I am not going to knock his caretakers for trying, however, I will agree Uwe was put in a VERY bad situation because somebody felt the need to cover their ass.
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Post Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:18 am

You didn't get me right

"I can't refute anything you just posted, I only wanted to lend some perspective on the nature of the people who were caring for Uwe. Its not right, but I am not going to knock his caretakers for trying, however, I will agree Uwe was put in a VERY bad situation because somebody felt the need to cover their ass.
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I did not want to accuse you for posting this. I'm so glad, that Uwe had some people who cared for him in this stressful situation. And I have to thank them very much for doing this. But on the other side I never can understand how somebody could watch something like this going on and not starting a revolution and I will never understand why they did not communicate with us over here in Germany about Uwes situation.

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Post Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:31 pm

Hello members of Ex-Scn Kids.

I just wanted to leave this link to the reportage "The Soul Catchers" here.

It is telling the story of my brother Uwe.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhbAaNx016E


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