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Oh, that one's gunna sting!
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I know Karen well and her book will be very revealing if she can get a publisher to put it out.
Good luck to her!!
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| Clickman wrote: | I know Karen well and her book will be very revealing if she can get a publisher to put it out.
Good luck to her!! |
I hope she can find a publisher for it. For those who don't know about the book's unfortunate history, she explains toward the bottom of the linked page how two publishers have caved to pressure from the CoS and canceled plans to publish her book. |
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I don't understand why in 2008 writers wait for publishers to get books out. Self-publishing is almost the norm these days with professional publishers primarily responsible for PR. I think that ESK, Enturb, ARS, etc could get the word out.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: Ditto Kaos |
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my sentiments exactly!
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One way or another, I would love to read Karen's book.
When I read that she was interviewed by Andrew Morton and quoted in it, I decided it was time to order the Tom Cruise Unauthorized Biography.
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Wow, Karen's book ... I know her and her accomplishments as well ... that'l leave a mark on the COS!
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beth (aka moontaco)
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| Kaos wrote: | | I don't understand why in 2008 writers wait for publishers to get books out. Self-publishing is almost the norm these days with professional publishers primarily responsible for PR. I think that ESK, Enturb, ARS, etc could get the word out. |
(Disclaimer: I work in publishing, so I do have a bias in favor of it!) I don't know how many books are self-published, but I know that there are certain advantages to having an established publishing company publish your book. For one thing, you get money up front. For another, you have an entire group of professionals handling your book: it's being edited, copyedited, typeset, proofread, and printed and bound by professionals who know what they're doing, so your book, in the end, is very likely to be more attractive, readable, and mostly free of errors. Plus you have publicists who will make sure reviewers are informed about your book and receive copies for review purposes; book you on radio and TV and arrange readings and other appearances; place print ads; etc. You also get a legal staff who read your book and and try to make sure that nothing you write is going to wind up getting you and the company sued. And they have a system of distribution to bookstores that an individual can never match.
There are drawbacks, too, of course. Publishers don't want to take chances. So having your book published by a company almost guarantees that you will have to compromise in some way (accept a cover you don't like, fix ungrammatical sentences you're attached to, cut hearsay stories that are potentially libelous....). And because publishers don't want to take risks, they aren't going to publish anything controversial unless everything in it is thoroughly documented and can be proven in court. But they would rather not have to go to court to prove anything in the first place, so they lean very much toward playing it safe.
By the way, Kaos, I'm wondering about your claim that self-published books are almost the norm now. Do you have any figures to back that up? Like I said, I have no idea how many self-published books are sold vs. books published by publishing houses and small presses, but I'd be surprised if self-publishing is responsible for sales of anywhere near the number of books traditional publishing is. |
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Kaos
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Hi Beth,
I have no idea how many copies of books of each type, professionally published vs. self published, are being sold.
What I do know is that 15-20% of the various titles offered are being self published or are being published by "indie" publishers. That is a significant amount.
You said it yourself, literary publishers don't care to put their necks out, especially when the opposing party is as litigious as Scn. And when you consider the small market to which a book like hers would appeal the exposure to lawsuits simply doesn't make it too viable. I wish we could get her story, and obviously that of our three ladies, into everyones' hands, but honestly the market isn't too great right now for such a book. In those instances self publishing is often the only way, and it's become quite normal these days as well.
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beth (aka moontaco)
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| Kaos wrote: | Hi Beth,
I have no idea how many copies of books of each type, professionally published vs. self published, are being sold.
What I do know is that 15-20% of the various titles offered are being self published or are being published by "indie" publishers. That is a significant amount.
You said it yourself, literary publishers don't care to put their necks out, especially when the opposing party is as litigious as Scn. And when you consider the small market to which a book like hers would appeal the exposure to lawsuits simply doesn't make it too viable. I wish we could get her story, and obviously that of our three ladies, into everyones' hands, but honestly the market isn't too great right now for such a book. In those instances self publishing is often the only way, and it's become quite normal these days as well. |
Well, even though I work in publishing, I'm glad self-publishing is a possibility, because of exactly what you said--established publishers being unwilling to take the risk of either legal action or low sales. But I am concerned about people who self-publish running into legal problems if they didn't have their book vetted by a lawyer. They can end up being sued for libel (by individuals, not just the CoS), for copyright infringement (if they aren't familiar with fair use limitations), and so on. But then, if they are individuals without much money, they aren't as ripe a target as big publishers are, so maybe it's less likely they'll be sued. |
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